Last rant till after Eid......pinky swear!
She's calling him every day.....and he's calling her. Two lovers lost.....sigh. Whenever it gets to be a bit too much with the phone calls....I sometimes point it out. And his ready answer? She's got problems.....oh yes. Poor thing. Lucky she married Superman.....he was always good at fixing everyone elses problems, except his own.
So we have this rule. No talking to her in MY house. He spent the day in bed sick a couple of days ago....and literally SLEPT with his cell phone. I spent a good part of the day with him in the bedroom.....and the air was so tense! It was like his entire body and being wanted me to leave the room. But I wouldn't. Allahu alem....maybe it was just me.
But then as I was sitting talking to him on the bed, the phone call came. He told me...."close the door."
I looked at him...."you mean as I'm going out?" And he says..."yes." Ahhhhhhhh. Okay.
I didn't talk to him much the rest of the day. Yeah....I get it now.
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So then yesterday after a good talking to by my lovely friend......I start being nice. She has rights on him.....and he's too sick to leave the house......so I just let it go.
But then last night happened. The kids are all in bed, and we are watching soccer. I tell him....lets go to bed. He's like...there's still 17 mins in the game....so I says...okay....I'll go warm up the bed. And I fall asleep pretty quick. But it doesn't last long. Maybe 15 mins later....I wake up. Something isn't right. I get out of bed and see the TV on....the remote on the couch.....where's hubby?
Oh....he's in the bathroom talking in a whispered voice. So he comes out of the bathroom, and I'm standing there....I say to him....
"Is there a problem?"
"yes there is" he says...
"Don't we have an agreement?"
Yeah but it was really important...
So you wait until I go to bed, and then you go and call her from the bathroom?
SEE! See how you think of me?? Is that proper thinking?
THATS NOT THE POINT! We have an agreement, you are not to talk to her in the house. I want to forget that this woman exists and I need to trust that you are going to make rules that you are going to follow.
She has a major problem that I am advising her on.
SHE ALWAYS HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM~!!!
Well I need to call her back...what do you want me to do?
You still have to call her again?
Yes.....you want me to leave and talk to her outside?(and he's being snarky)
YES I DO. Go talk to her somewhere else........
So he gets his coat on and takes the car keys and leaves. He's gone over an hour. At least he could talk to her without worrying that I might overhear. How fitting for him to be talking to her while he was on the can.....yes, how very fitting!
I cried a bit after he left....just because I feel low. Not because of him or her. But then I decided before he came back....that I should be pleased. I kicked the jerk out to go talk to her. And HE LEFT. Good.
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So when he come back...I'm watching a movie.....he goes in the room.....and I go with him to lie down. No words spoken. Then he decided to read the quran.....hmmmmmm. Baby wakes up but is being fussy, not wanting to breastfeed. Hubby closes the quran.....and tells me to give him the baby. I go blissfully to sleep. LOL! Sometime later, hubby brings the baby back to me.
So I was thinking about all this in the morning as I was making his coffee. You know how when you get a dog to do your bidding? And then you smack him on the nose with a newspaper? I was looking at it like that......
He left to go talk to her right? Sure, he had his tail between his legs and he was pissed about going out into the cold night air.....but so what? He did what I wanted, even if it was after he was trying to be sneaky.
So I've come to some conclusions.....but now isn't the time.......
After Eid, insha Allah.


33 Comments:
Salaam Alaikum dear,
You know I love you but I don't think you are right in this regard. because your husband has 2 wives living in 2 different countries he is going to have to be in touch with one while he spends prolonged time with the other. He absolutely SHOULD NOT talk to her in front of you, but he should be able to find a private place in HIS home (because it is his home, as much as yours) and talk to her. And in my opinion you should not be following him around or sticking to him like glue so that he can't talk to her.
Obviously he is still married. Obviously he has some attachment to her. And as you yourself said, she does have rights over him.
He should be extremely discreet but you should allow him the space to practice that discretion.
Love you,
PM
2:39 AM
Without sounding petty....but Hubby has never spoken to me daily from Canada. So I don't know what has his knickers in a knot!
But he's free to talk to her while he's on the toilet anytime......
You know....maybe when we are in the villa, he'll find plenty of discreet places to talk to her......but at the moment....there is nowhere in the apt that is far enough away from our ears.
I don't particularly enjoy his lovey dovey talk.......with her, I mean. I should be so lucky.
I'm zifta....
6:33 AM
I understand, Safa. But the one thing you surely know by now is that you cannot control this man and his "heart" (and I use the term loosely! LOL!). I am sorry he doesn't treat you the same way he treats MM. My (ex) husband didn't treat his wives equally either in any respect. I am sure you know that the so-called scholars say it is premissable for a man to "love" or be more attracted to one more than the other and in fact, that most will. This is the catch-22 that is inherent in polygyny and that no one -- especially those who are pro-polygyny want to admit and deal with.
When will you all be going to Canada?
Love you,
PM
6:40 AM
inty msh zifta, inty ghalia and he should start treating you that way. You take care of him, give birth to and nurture his children, and you didn't leave him. you've dealt with his bullsh*** for two years now. I absolutely agree with you, the house is NOT his the house is YOURS, check it Islamically, he pays for the housing but its yours. I am so glad you kicked him out, I would have done exactly the same thing. Its not fair to you. But then again I don't think polygamy is fair period. You should have hit him on the nose with a newpaper really. I personally would have thrown things at him.
Shouf-
Once one of the other wives of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) brought him food on his day with Aisha raa and she was so jealous and got so angry that she dumped the food over on top of his head and threw the dish against the wall.
The Prophet did not rebuke her saying that it was his house and he should be able to eat what he wants when he wants, he just smiled at her and told her that she would need to replace the dish she broke because it belonged to the other wife. Thats all. Nothing about dumping food on his head.
Khalas.
Its your house. Make your rules as the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) did.
Allah be with you honey.
6:48 AM
la2 ya Safa. Don't talk about yourself like that.
I understand what PM is saying, but there is a lot of lying happening. I thought MM was supposed to be out of the picture? Suddenly she is the wife with rights. This is a big joke.
I trust you will handle this well. My prayers are with you.
P.S: If the Prophet (SAW) was alive and among us. He will not approve of your husbands actions.
6:55 AM
intercepted text message: It seems he's leaving to go back to Canada before his ticket is up in March......
Ya Allah!
7:23 AM
assalamu aleikum wa rahamtulahi wa barakatuhu,
Safa, if finances were not a question here, i.e. you were wealthy in your own right, or your parents were millionaires, would you still stay with your husband?
You don't have to answer to me, these are things for you to ponder.
And if you wouldn't stay if were wealthy in your own right, then realize that all the wealth we have comes form Allah(SWT), it is not your husband who sustains you, but Allah. It could be that another wealthier husband awaits you, or a career awaits you, or simply that what you already have is more than you need.
You can stay with your husband for financial reasons, that is not my argument. Just a thought.
8:14 AM
Assalamu'alaikum Safa,
It all boils down to respect, I think. I personally don't think there's a house big enough for your husband to speak with the other woman. I get all frantic and stuff when he speaks to the other woman in front of me but yet I intentionally made a hole in my closet wall so that I could hear all the conversations he has in his office! LOL!! I don't know what I really want do I!
Safa, this is his pattern in life, I don't see him changing. Once he gets bored of MM, it's going to be someone else.
8:57 AM
Dear Safa,
I am sorry if my last comment upset you. I noticed you didn't post it and have every right to delete anything I say if you don;t like it.
Salaam Alaikum,
PM
1:13 PM
While I agree w/ PM on one hand, I think I would not want him in the house, either. This shouldn't be tit for tat, but it's not like DH has been upholding his end of the bargain. If it were me (and it's not), I would have a hard time doing "the right thing" when no one else in these marriages has lived up to their religious obligations. And if I were involuntarily wrapped up in a polygynous relationship, I would feel like it was cheating; hence, I would not want to hear him talking to her. But that's just my 2 cents!
2:36 PM
Salamu alaykum Safa,
There are a lot of issues involved in this scenario. First he's telling you he's getting rid of her but to her he has to talk to her night and day and make secret arrangements to see her so it's not clear that he's letting her go. Maybe he feels forced to but doesn't want to Allahu ilem. I know I can't stand to see my husband talking to the other wife and drives me batty. He says I catch this huffy attitude and start acting nasty so he feels obliged to end the call. At the time I was working outside the house so I felt those 10 hours I was gone was ample time for him to talk to her. I think if he wants to avoid jealousy and fitnah he should find a private time and place to do it. Maybe when he goes off to prayer or down at his brother's house or something.
7:36 PM
For some strange reason PM, your 2nd comment didn't go to my mailbox, so I ran after it on blogger and found it there....
You'll always have a voice on my blog.......I respect your opinions, even if I don't always agree with them. Just like I'm sure you prolly don't agree with mine all the time.....(heck I don't even agree with me all the time!)
2:00 AM
Could she be pregnant?
Good reason for her to go home to be with her family.
2:48 AM
Safa, exactly what would be the last straw? Have you any idea or have you so far willfully chosen to ignore this very important point?
Physical and emotional betrayal and theft (yep it is quite literally thieving time and resources from you and your children) has nothing to do with religion.
Sadiyah
9:06 AM
Safa,
What is zifta?
12:52 PM
I am so sorry Safa, You know what I think. We talked about it. You know what i told you and the offer still stands....
But the thing is we must all remember we do feel sorry for Safa and we all HATE or atleast strongly dislike what this man is going. But and I am sorry it is a but. HE is Muslim and she, MM, is HIS WIFE.
we are not non muslim and MM is not a mistress.....she is his wife...maybe not as long as safa, maybe no kids, but ....she is no less a wife.....
we may wish for her to go away.we may THINK well he didnt do this for safa so it is not fair..and it is not fair....i wish he could be fair....but this falls under the feelings in his heart and we all know he cannot be fair in those respects.
HE for whatever reason wants to or needs to talk to this woman.the woman that is his wife.. We would all rather see this man sin....rather than make a call.......Man how sad...
iTS JUST A CALL...its not like he can see her , touch her, or have any contact wither..how long can a call last...not as long as the time he has with safa.....
It does not matter what he told Safa. the fact is HE IS STILL married. maybe he told her he was divorcign MM to keep the fitnah down....who knows..but until he is divorced from her......she has rights over him and one of those right are to keep in contact with her....Islam is not hislam.... We cannot just pick and choose what we like and do not like....WE ALL have right...SAFA needs to get hers...SAFA you haev a right to a divorce if you chose...Safa has the right to stay if she chooses....Safa has a right to demand ....ALL her rights....BUT none of them include telling her husband he can not talk to HIS wife....yes the nice thing for him to do would have been to not talk in the house.....and i know I have been there it hurts to have him talk to her and you know it..it hurts like hell...
the big "P" has some BIG pain..
Safa and only safa knows if he is worth all this pain...... WE may think HELL NO!!!!!!!!!! but it is not up to us.. Most of us are just looking into a SMALL window in her life....only safa has the full view....so it is up to her to know when and if she will stop the pain.....
4:56 PM
It's his right to talk to her Lolly....but he's pushing it.....
Yesterday we were supposed to take the baby to the DR.....he gets a phone call...2 phone calls while he's praying.....then after he finishes his prayer....tells me that he's too sick to take the baby to the DR with me and to go with my oldest.....
I go. He tells the other kids that he's tired and closes the bedroom door and calls his wife. He talks to her for 42 mins.
While I take his sick son to the DR.
While his kids are in the other room.
THIS absolutely transgresses my rights......
I'll tell you this......I'm really stupid.......and very angry....
A dangerous combination...
~~Zifta means black Tar.....but a better word would me I'm shit. Zifta is a swear word in Arabic too.....
10:44 PM
All these long talks, her being sick, at her moms now for how long very likely for support and housing during a pregrancy since he can not put her up in Egypt causing Safa to be aware, changing his planeticket. No problems leaving her kids in Canada as far as I remember. I opt for her being pregnant and the plan is to go back to Canada pre-birth so the child will have canadian citizenship.
11:31 PM
Safa, may I ask why are you still dealing with this. I thought you were getting out?
1:37 AM
BABE, he is not pushing it....he has pushed and pused.....thats the problem........your tired. ...I know it hurts.....I know it is not fair .and I know he is not being a good husband to you when you are doing so much for him....So you know what safa...STOP!!! Just stop. stop doing all the things that hurt you. Stop looking at his phone......stop worring about when he calls her, if he calls her, when she call, if he calls and for how long........STOP!!
Dont go in the room with him if he can possible do something to hurt you. distance yourself....I am not saying to not give him his rights.......I AM saying to not do the things that can possible leave you hurt.
ok your kids need to go to the drs......go alone..dont even ask him to go if you think he may say no and it will hurt you.
you need to make a run....do it alone
you need anything.get it yourself
this is your life now safa........he has shown you.YOU ARE ALONE WITH COMPANY!!! he is there but he you are alone.....
dont expect anything.remember your post.....
time to live what you wrote...
your other option is....expect everything....but give it to yourself!!!! LOOk to your self for love safa, your happiness, strength, passions, laughter, and anything else you want can come from you...
You do not need him to be a whole person. but you do need you!
2:25 AM
Pm and others who have said this: Did he call HER daily when he was in Canada? Did she get her rights? His wife in Canada didn't want him to call HER when he was in her house. So why can he do the opposite now, why does she expect it now? He's lied to Safa, telling her he's divorced the other when he hasn't. He deserves nothing! He's lost his rights to talk to her in the house when he's lied time and time again. Sometime it's got to be khalas!
Stay strong, Safa. I hope you know when it's time to say Khalas. You don't deserve to be treated this way. Do you still have your paypal account?
Anisah
6:01 AM
As salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu.
I'm glad you've come to conclusions dear. It's about time. Men don't change. We've all heard it before. The only One who can change them is Allah subhana wa ta'ala. He is not going to give you what you need, it's not in his head, he doesn't care. I'm not saying you have been perfect. One of your problems is that you're turning to the public for your comfort instead of to Allah ta'ala, but that's OK--- We ALL do that one sometimes. Anyway, Allah hu alem, sorry for criticizing. My point was actually that you have done good. You have really tried to give him his rights, he has never recriprocated. One of the most angering things about this whole phone call thing is how we already know the situation was when he was there. He gave her much more of his attention when he was there than he gives your OR your children when he's here.
If he has taqwa, I don't see it. He is really blinded by his own desires, and it is sad to see a Muslim acting this way. I hope he comes into contact with some hardcore fear of his Maker before he dies. We all need it, all the time, and he has definitely lost it. But that doesn't mean you need to lose it too. Keep your eternal perspective, ask for forgiveness at least 500-100 times a day. And do what you gotta do.
Take care dear.
6:23 AM
Anisah:
Nowhere have I said that this man treats Safa fairly with regards to time. Nowhere have I said that this many treats Safa equally with regard to affection. Nwhere have I said that this many treats Safa justly in regard to keeping in touch and helping her with her problems.
However, I believe that according to Egyptian law their apartment and villa belong to him as much as her (if not possibly even more) and thus he does have the right to do as he likes in his home in this regard. Is it nice? No. But is snooping into his relationship with his other wife nice? I am sorry to say this, Safa, but no it is not. I think most would only excuse you because we feel sorry for you and know you are hurt and very emotional.
Everyone can say khalas all they like but until Safa decides she cannot put up with anymore and finds the strength to get out of this abusive relationship, then our "khalas" means nothing.
Salaam,
PM
3:52 AM
Sis Lolly,
at exactly do you mean by saying that Safa should distance herself but not deny him his rights? Are you referring to his sexual "rights"?
Salaam Alaikum sweetie,
PM
PS: BTW, I could not even suggest that a man would have any sexual 'rights" over me under the circumstances where he treats me without respect or love. It would make me feel like a prostitute. Ugh.
3:57 AM
Safa, love you. Sobia
7:15 AM
it sounds like yur his doormat and he just knows yu'll be around forever. and that your threats and ultimatums are just sort of temporary.
when someone doesn't speak up and create trouble in a relationship, sometimes there are people who start thinking 'oh this person is gona take anything' so they basicaly take advantage of this person due to their own selfishness. The other wife probably gives him hell day in and day out.
It seems like he mades promises and yada yada...but what kind of relationship is he giving u? It doesn't sound like he cares about you or much about the kids. I mean what kind of guy would much rather talk to his second wife than take his kid to the hospital. For God's sake. THAT is not fair.
Its not just about fairness between wives. What about the dangit kids?
Dude...you were patient. And i was with you for a while..thinking this is good..but now it just seems like from what you say..that this is a lost cause. A dead end. A dead beat moron(sorry) who isn't gona give u much in return cuz he just doesnt really care. or hasn't.
I mean yes you can give him space in his house to sometimes talk to his wife..but c'mon...in reality...u do have a right to be IRKED freaking badly cuz how many times did he call u and the kids?
I mean to your kids..this guy doesn't exist.
Financially it seems like you have some alternatives..otherwise you wouldnt have thought of leaving period. Why not end the pain and get out while you are still in tact?
I mean why keep expecting something from someone you have seen TIME AND TIME AGAIN is not going to or not willing to deliver it.
I really feel like yur his maid that he doesn't wana bother too much..instead he just wants to avoid it..leave it alone..avoid confrontation..continue his life..his games.
9:22 PM
Safa, I think he sees her as needy and he sees you as strong on your own. Maybe you should play the poor pitiful me card. Let him be a little manly around you and let him be a little helpful. Compliment the way he does something. Make him feel needed.
I agree he's been an ass. but you are keeping him around anyway. So, might as well see if you can coax him back to your team with a little sugar.
11:36 AM
Yeah, I know that looking into his phone makes me a troll. And it doesn't feel good. It's the urge for information that gets me looking.....
I can't stop. I've tried.
10:54 PM
Safa, don't listen to any of us. I really mean this. I've said it before and I'll say it again. We all have our own ideas of what you should do, but only you really know what needs to be done.
If you can hang in there and you want to than I support you with that. If you want to move on than I support you with that also.
I just hope that you planning on going isn't a way to try to get him to come around to your way. From my experience men don't like to be pushed into anything.
I hope it works out in the way that is best for you and your entire family.
12:37 AM
If my husband didn't upgrade his cell phone to a fancy smanchy one, I'd still be looking into his cell phone too. You're not alone, Safa, don't feel so bad. I check his brief case, folders etc....any information I can get! LOL!! How else would I know if he's treating me fairly if I don't know what he's doing with her! LOL! I know...it's just an excuse to look, but hey, you might need some of that information one day. I say photocopy what's necessary, keep receipts that he won't notice is gone, phone bills...you get my point. Do what you think is necessary. I feel like the little devil that keeps appearing above your head...
I agree with Sobia too. Mix things up a little, show your vulnerable side too. I tried the strong, bad ass attitude. It didn't work to well on him coz he thought I was trying to compete with him. Once I changed to the more subdued, needy, vulnerable wife, I was able to get through him a little more. It's all about control...they need the rush that being a controlling man gives them. Let them win, let them have their way for now. Just focus on the light at the end of the tunnel.
Hugs to you,
Seekerofthetruth
7:20 AM
Information is a lovely thing. If it involves you IN ANY WAY. You are right to get the information.
Any relationship/marriage that he may have have while married to you, involves you. It is not a seperate issue as long as resources... physical, financial and emotional are being shared between wives/mistresses/casual flings. So be forearmed with information. Pay a dectective agency to do that if you must, and dont want to be personally involved in snooping. You must have have all the information you need.
Getting information to protect yourself is an AMORAL thing, not moral or immoral.
Sadiyah
10:42 PM
As salaam alaikum to:
Livin_life_and loving_it
yes the quran does say A man will love one wife more and be attracted to one more but it also says" but do not lean to one more than the other leaving them hanging neither married or divorced" so yes he can feel that way in his heart all day but its haraam for him to show it in his actions with regard to time and money which he clearly violated and yes while MM is his wife those phone calls do not substitute for her right to time she is taking from Safa's time which has to be equal.MM right to time is him being with her physically there and these are not MM nights they are Safa's nights.So he/she is still not justified.Is that just that MM gets months and months of time uninterrupted with phone calls and Safa gets way less time and with interruptions.Thats not just.
7:40 PM
i am really sorry that you have to live life like this, as life is not about being unhappy and oppresed with in a marriage and a pologimous one should not be like this, yes i agree he should not even mention wife 2 infront of you let alone talk to her and visa verca Allah al Mustaan.
5:47 AM
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