Stand up for the women that are suckered into polygyny!!!!
I was reading a hadith today. And after reading it, I wondered how any Sheikh could advise a brother not to tell his wife that he's getting/has another wife.
How could a sheikh advise that? For example, tell a brother, "if you fear that your first wife won't take it well, then don't tell her". SubhanAllah....where are the sheikhs that should be saying, Fear Allah, instead?
What about the Sheikhs who advise that the brother doesn't need his wife's permission.....?? I think if I were to interpret the meaning of not having permission...I would look at it in the best way. The reason for not having permission was prolly due to the fact that it would be mighty inconvenient for lets say a trader, to ride his camel across the desert to tell his wife that he saw this girl he wants to marry...and then ask her is it okay? It'll just take me 3 days to ride back? I think it was a matter of inconvenience and impossibility to relate a message, not because he was going to keep it a secret. It had nothing to do with deception or fear. Can a husband who truly fears Allah, actually use the, "I don't need permission" argument? My husband could have called me and told me on the phone. Both times, in fact.
Hell, as far as I know...he was considering marrying the christian hoochie for awhile. Even had her get bloodtests and crap. He may have even been in Egypt and still considering her. Why couldn't he ever discuss that with me? I would take it bad? Of course I would have. And quite righteously so as well! I would have said to him about her:
#1....what sort of example to the kids would she be? Not muslim......??
#2....why this particular woman? Is there some sort of haraam dealing that has brought you to consider marriage to her in particular?
#3....she's not a chaste christian....she's got 3 kids and who knows what sort of history!!
I think I would have yelled loudest and longest about her not even being halal for him because she's not chaste. I'm sure he'd have talked his way around it tho.....considering that he already wanted to be with her. But he didn't need my permission, did he? And besides...as far as the christian woman was concerned....I was never supposed to find out. It was a gift to himself for living for 5 yrs without us. Too bad I didn't think of gettng him something like that.
So what about with MM? Why didn't he tell me about her either? Again, he could have told me on the phone. His argument? I wanted to tell you in person. Hmmmmmm...... When i think about how that particular conversation would have gone it makes me cry. I could just see him taking me out to dinner at a nice fancy restaurant...then maybe taking me for a walk down the nile.....sitting down somewhere quiet and secluded. He'd go on about how much he loves me and how important I am in his life. Then he'd say.....BUT. Ahhhhh, yes. The but. And I know that in my naive little mind, I would be confused....would prolly be thinking he's going to divorce me....prolly thinking he wants to send me back to Cda....and then when he says what is truly on his mind...I'd have wished desperately that it was either of them...BUT NOT THIS!!! NOOOOOOO.....NOT THIS!! He'd prolly tell me that when he went back to Cda that MM pursued him.....and that something happened between him and her exhubby....and that he HAD to marry her....Oh yeah...she twisted my arm I just had to yell UNCLE. It was so horrible. Oh yeah, I've played this scene out in my head many times. I would have fallen apart....I know I'd start shaking...maybe fall off the chair I'd be sitting on....I'd tell him...I WANT MY MOM!!! And wouldn't let him comfort me, oh no.....I'd have slept in the other room all alone.....I wonder how he'd have felt breaking that to my face? I suppose that Allah made it easy on him when the exhusband ASSHOLE called me and told me all the crap before hubby got around to it. Harder on me...yep....but easier on him. Isn't that just the way it is these days? Oh and you know that when Hubby would have told me to my face, he'd never have told me about christian hoochie either.
I summed it up so well when I was in Canada. I told my hubby....if I was you, I'd feel like a real shit. I hope he does, you know? As much as I still love him and want the best for him....I can't help feeling this anger inside that just starts boiling when the brain starts thinking. A real shit, indeed.
Oh....what hadith was I reading??
On the authority of an-Nawwas ibn Sam'an (May Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (saw) said,
"Righteousness is good morality, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in your soul and which you dislike people finding out about" It was related by Muslim.
Isn't that how a man must feel when he's hiding from his wife the existance of wife # 2? He'd be so scared she's gonna find out before he tells her. I wonder what it is that would scare him? Naaawwwwww......again I would advise a man to fear Allah....but what it comes down to is cowardice. Taking a sneaky loophole and trying to justify it. Puhlease. The worst thing is....that these men believe themselves.
My hubby once took the part in surah AnNisaa........
[al-Nisaa' 4:129] You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them..."
......and tried to explain that this was the reason he wasn't worried about being fair with me concerning time. Allah made men that way. SubhanAllah!!! I asked him if he had read the tafseer of this ayat and then told him that this had nothing to do with the time.....that it was about treating them equally in your heart. SubhanAllah. My point? Taking sneaky loopholes in the religion will only earn you a free ride right to hell fire.
But you know what is the worst for me? When they try to unload that crap on YOU and make you believe it. Or just shut you up. And then have the nerve to act like they are super religious and holy.
My advice to any brother considering polygyny, hiding polygyny and secretly practicing it.....FEAR ALLAH!
You may be hiding this from your wife....but ALLAH knows and you will be judged!
You may be hiding this from your family....but ALLAH knows and you will be judged!!!
What you hide is never hidden, so own up and SAY IT!! It's not haraam, so why do you hide it? It's not Zena, so why do you hide it? Stop the dumbass excuses, and get with the program. You are hurting your woman more with ur betrayal, your lies, your deceipt and your utter lack of respect! Would you accept your wife hiding her money? How about hiding that she's been making investments with her money? How about hiding the inheritance that she just got? Buying herself a fancy piece of jewellery without you knowing from her own money? Would you accept it? Is it haraam?
TELL HER! It will be worse for her when she finds out the hard way. Do what's hard for yourself and whats' easy for her. Please. Sisters everywhere are popping up with the same story......and it's killing us. Killing our deen. We need some hard nosed sheikhs in the English speaking world to take over this call. To stand up and give good advice. Not Sheikhs advising us women to get pregnant to solve our problems. Where are those sheikhs? I wish they would stand up! We need them now.


25 Comments:
As-salaamu 'alaikum,
Aaah, dear sister (or should I say khaala? That's what I call all women older than me...)...
Obviously I haven't experienced this personally, and even with my parents it was a different issue altogether (my mum had full knowledge about it, & there was no sneakiness or anything), but I've seen it with others.
In our Muslim community there was a brother that got married a second time, but didn't tell his first wife - and then everything came crashing around his head when a few months later the first wife found about #2. How? They met each other at the Islamic centre, & somehow discovered that they were married to the same man.
:O
I was there, too... wife #1 rushed into the closet and started bawling her eyes out while the rest of us panicked. Wife #2 seemed to have gone into shock and left quickly.
Someone told a kid to go call the husband, and he and wife #1 left.
A couple months later wife #2 was divorced...
I was pretty shocked by the man's stupidity... both wives were regulars at the Islamic centre, and the community was pretty small, so something was *bound* to happen!
Oh, and I agree that the Shuyookh need to start talking about this... maybe you can try to email some of them and tell them?
Dunno if it would work or not, though...
11:07 AM
Asalamalaykom Sheika Safa,
I just wrote you a big long thought and then it got dumped...so elhumdullah, maybe I just am suppose to keep it short:
Stay in Ramadan and don't stay in the "what ifs". Enshahallah.
11:29 AM
Safa, I agree with what you are saying regarding the need for truth from husbands when it comes to the issue of polygyny. Because polygyny impacts every aspect of the lives of all family members, honesty from the start is a must. According to my knowledge, however, when it comes to the way a wife handles her own money, she has no obligation to disclose that information to any of the male members of her family and unless they have cause to believe that she is spending it in a haram way and evidence to support those suspicions, they have no reason to prevent her from spending it in any way she chooses. So, although a husband may not like the fact that his wife built a house with money she inherited that he didn't know about, it is her right to have done so.
12:31 PM
That was a phenomonal post Safa. I would tell anyone approaching polygamy to start out being painfully honest with their spouse. Brothers should know how their wife feels about polygamy BEFORE NIKAH. Sisters should be true and honest with their husbands about their polygamy feelings and not lie for fear that he will leave. I think spouses should take eachothers feelings into consideration before making huge life changing decisions. I love your post Safa.
12:49 PM
I am standing up but someone keeps sneaking behind me and pushing me down.
2:39 PM
Al Maraya: you said, " So, although a husband may not like the fact that his wife built a house with money she inherited that he didn't know about, it is her right to have done so."
Okay...ur with me here.....what I am saying is a step further....it's that just as its a woman's right to spend her money as she wishes without permission....it is a man's right to marry a 2nd wife without the 1st's permission. It is his right to have done so. But what benefit is that for the marriage? Is she just gonna pop up one day and say...OH BTW, I built a house and didn't mention it.....what 3 yrs down the road? And he's gonna say...o that's good ur telling me cuz I forgot to mention I got another wife and a new baby? Are they both going to just sit back and say...ohhh okay...so how was work?
For the intimacy of any marriage, there has to be communication. Just because things are allowed in VERY specific circumstances, it doesn't mean we have to use the bandaid treatment. It's gonna hurt like hell when u rip it off. I'm making a call to people to communicate....don't take ur rights the hard way....be kind to ur women......I hope I've made my point a little clearer...
Anonymouse....maybe I will mail a few sheikhs....
HA: Too bad it got dumped...u know u can push CTRL Z and it'll usually pop back up again....LOL! (too late now!) WOuld have liked to read it....u could always email me the long version!
PL: Thanks....I knew you'd be the first to agree with me. Masha Allah u and ur hubby appear to have a very open relationship. I loved ur last little chat in ur comments section....it had me laughing over here!!
Lone Ranger: I MISS YOU! OMG, I am dying....I've been calling, texting, voice mailing, HECK I EVEN CALLED UR NEIGHBOUR!!!!! Oh, I know who is pushing you down.......or I think I know....or maybe....ummmmmm....well, maybe it's the wind.
2:53 PM
Safa, believe me, I know what you mean -- really, I do! But I think that the two are just very different issues. When a man brings another woman into the family dynamic, his action sparks a cause and effect situation that impacts the very lives and well-being of everyone involved. Besides, he's gonna have to explain where he's spending his time when he's not home at night, right? But a woman who doesn't tell her husband that she has money of her own doesn't hurt anyone. See what I mean? I hope that I haven't made you upset or anything because that wasn't my intention at all, honest!
3:26 PM
Me? Get upset? Naawwwww....that's so beyond me. I spose they are two very different points......but I'm married to an Egyptian....and spending money without telling him would be on that level. Imagine that the woman is buying good food and crap....but not saying? Ohhh, I don't know....maybe I've not used a good example.
But it doesn't matter, you understand my point, in essence, even if the example didn't savvy....so that's okay.
I'm like the lover of variety here.......like to hear others yell BLACK when I'm busy yelling WHITE! We need to see things from all sides.
5:25 PM
Salamu alaykum,
I've got money stashed away for a rainy day. Hubby knows I earned it but I'm sure he thinks I spent it but no it was hard earned and only a dire need or emergency will make it come forth. I put it in a islamic mutual fund called Amana.
7:55 PM
I'm so lost in these comments...My man would jump the moon with joy if I bought a house on the sly with secret funds...though he would have prolly had a stroke to know I was buying food secretly with my/our money when we lived over seas...so, yeah to each his own.
Really I know sisters that MUST hide how much money they have, otherwise their mahram will not give them what they are rightfully entitled to.
I don't understand how sheiks are supposed to operate/advise/fatwa make...should they have a sort of specialty area and stay within it? I mean HOW could they know enough to advise about EVERYTHING? I've read some stuff that was so wrong...as in the guy really did not understand female anatomy...oh my favorite said that women should wear their "shabbiest" clothes to eid, I think that was a translation problem...
I see the biggest problem with not telling your wife about the new addition, is that it snowballs into lies and deception. There really is NO WAY around that. Otherwise, I don't think many sisters would readily agree to their husband taking on a second wife who was not in a dire need that her husband could fufill...I mean when is the "right time"? We are always either, pregnant, nursing, dealing with various problems with our kids/finances/health...on and on. So, I can see why her permission is not necassary. Safa do you know the 3 reasons why a husband can lie to his wife? I'm pretty sure this is not one of them. I think this may have been/is especially difficult for you because you and your hub did have shura, masha Allah. Though many of the wives of men that choose poly do not have that. It's his way, his rights, obey.
Musleema has a good fatwa up. Go see, go now!
8:22 PM
This is such an odd last remark (about Sheikhs telling women to get pregnant to save their marriages) in light of your announcement that you are pregnant. Can you explain what you mean? Do you still think this is bad advise? I am confused why you are criticizig it....
Salaam Alaikum,
PM
12:17 AM
Assalamualaikum Safa and sisters. UmmBadier, one thing about those fatawa sites is that they are general advices, not specific. They are useful to help us to get a general idea, but they are not meant to be applied to specific situations because the shuyukh don't do that. You are to meet or call them and prevent BOTH sides of a situation. I think that is why Alhamdulilah on all of these fatawa sites the responses to questions are very basic. How could do any more without hearing both sides? The problem really is the Muslims who try to rely on the online fatawa sites as law, when this isn't from the sunnah of we are suppose to seek counsel.
Also, one thing that Mr.Hubster always reminds about the fatawa sites, unless your reading about an aqeedah or fiqh issue, everything else is based on their opinions. May Allah reward our shuyukh for all of their help, but we are not obligated to follow their opinions on our marriage problems if we don't feel that their solution is helpful to us.
Safa, this was a good post. I read frustration and concern and I agree with it. If only we could band completely together as sisters in ummah and support eachother fatawa like those wouldn't matter, because we wouldn't allow our sisters, daughters, mothers and friends to be treated that way.
I think we would more positive polygynous marriages if we as sister were truly loving and supportive of each other. Abi says when you don't come correct with something in the beginning, don't ever be surprise when it falls apart in the end...
7:14 AM
PM: My intention was not to save my marriage to get pregnant....if you read in my archives...I spose in Sept.....there was this post about a sister who was having problems with polygyny....and the sheikh was advising her of how to save her marriage and gave her horrible advice....go read it.
My marriage is firm....I am not worried that hubby will come home and divorce me.....we've had a stable marriage for 15 yrs....it's taken that long to build it....I can give it some time to fix up. I think that's fair....or at least, my version of it....
I'm just praying that things will work their way out...I believe that it will.....or at least, I have to.
1:27 AM
>we've had a stable marriage for 15 yrs....it's taken that long to build it....I can give it some time to fix up.
Well now that doesn't sound so unreasonable.
12:04 PM
Hey salamualiakum, I found your blog through dictator princess and was instantly intruiged. Im also living in Egypt and have 4 kids. Im in the middle of reading all your archives. (I've opened all the pages on explorer and will read them offline as reading it all online will kill the phone bill!) Be in touch okay?
1:44 PM
hey it's mona! mona rocks macha Allah! where you be mona?
2:59 PM
Can I have permission to forward your post to a view Imams and Shiekh emails?
12:11 AM
hey cncz, I been around, thinking of starting up the blog again, in the mean time and in between time I'm always reading yours.
12:22 AM
please go ahead and forward it.....
12:24 AM
I know what you mean but Al-mayara does have a point. They are two different issues. Now if a woman had a child from a previous marriage and kept it a secret then that's different. I try my best to stay out of my wife's money. Unfortunately sometimes it gets absorbed by Needs of the Family. I don't like doing it because she gets really mad. So I never like touching her money. It doesn't mean that she doesn't mind helping out, but she likes to spend her own money and for peace I like to let her do it. She often asks my opinion on really big things, but mostly I say baye it's your money.
This is one of the primary reasons that we don't have a co-wife now. I don't like to touch the wife's money and I don't make quite enough to make it all work. Who knows when it can work and is blessed everything will fall into place, Insha Allah.
You are correct though. Men do need to inform their wives about their extraneous marriages mostly before they happen. I think that it would make everything easier. I think that talking about the possibility in the beginning would make it easier still. I mean then everyone would know where they stand. In my last marriage the polygyny issue was a scapegoat for other problems we were having, but in this marriage I wanted to address the issue right up front and so prior to us marrying I told my wife that if there would be any additional women to my union it would come through her. If she had someone she wanted to share her husband with then it would be her call. I was not looking. This didn't change my desire for a plural marriage, but everyone was informed that there was a desire on the table and the rules for accessing that desire was laid out,and most importantly those boundaries are respected.
12:26 AM
I checked over in ur Blog Mona..too bad ur so far away.....ahhhhhhh....
12:27 AM
"those boundaries are respected".....thats a wonderful little phrase.....
12:29 AM
Oh Yeah if you are looking for a voice in English I would highly recommend Sheikh Hamza and Imam Zaid. They are very sensible Scholars and they are in tune to the problems present in the Ummah, especially western issues such as polygamy/marriage abuse.
12:32 AM
thanks....I may be using that soon.......
12:41 AM
I had a canadian SIL who always said that she was forced to chose from the better of the two worst options. That phrase stuck with me. I know that sometimes, people feel cornered like that.
But you ask.....would a woman prefer her husband to commit Zina than to marry again? But that woman isn't given that option is she? The decision is made for her. I still don't think it's fair to put yourself as judge and jury, you know?
Besides....as being the second secret wife....you may be asked to give up rights for the sake of that secret....less time...no going out together...stolen moments here and there.....is that what Allah swt meant, when he allowed men to have 4 wives?
I'll give you this much....that there are rules, and then, there are exceptions to those rules....and somewhere between those two points...we all fall in line. Allah is merciful.....
But a saving option? For whom? Unless the secret is going to be forever....there's no point in keeping it.....it becomes more than a secret when the deed is already done...it becomes a betrayal.....that's what my problem is.
I suck at being positive about the whole polygyny issue that I'm experiencing....should I have been introduced to it gradually, rather than suckered into it....I may have been more accepting....more graceful!
I'm happy you keep coming around!
2:30 AM
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