Sunday, September 17, 2006

OMG.....

check out this fatwa on Islamonline....WTH???

http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=0iA4mh

I'm gonna paste it as well:

Dr. Salah Sultan
Profession President of the American Center for Islamic Research, Columbus, Ohio, and Member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research



Hind - United States
Question I was married before and have three children from that marriage. Unfortunately, it ended in divorce. I married my new husband in the USA in a civil ceremony. I became a Muslim after marrying almost immediately. We have been married by nikah. My husband is from Egypt and he is very close to his family and I respect all his wishes not to hurt them. He has never told them that he is married to me for 7 years now. I was told they would never accept me because I have children from a previous marriage. When we first got married, I told him it would be very difficult to get pregnant but not impossible. He told me at that time he did not care.

Now to my problem! As I have said before his family knows nothing of me. However, I just found out that he got married in his country this past summer and his new wife is now pregnant with their child. He never discussed this with me. I am very upset. I cannot discuss this with anyone. I understand that a husband can take more than one wife. Should he have not asked for my permission? We have no intentions of divorcing but I feel that I was lied to. I would have understood and accepted it more if he had confided in me. In addition, should not his new wife be entitled to know that he has a wife here in the United States? He has no plans of ever telling his family about us. Please help me! How do I get over the feelings of betrayal? How can I trust him again?
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Answer In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

I feel sorry for your problems and I ask Allah to help you reconcile the differences between you and your husband. I would like to answer your question in the following points:

1. It is the right of the Muslim husband to get married to another woman. Seeking the permission of the first wife is not mandatory, but it is highly recommended because of the harmony and unity of the family Islam is keen to preserve. So, if your husband married a second wife without informing you, then he did what was not proper to be done, and not what was forbidden to be done.

2. It is your right that your relationship with your husband be frank and transparent. He should have not kept the marriage secret from his family and his second wife. If his second wife got to know about this, that would be more problematic.

3. I advise you to reconcile your difference with your husband and have him tell you honestly what he intends to do. Feeling sad or that you were lied to or betrayed will only add to your sufferings.

4. If your husband still wishes to keep you, then I advise you to get pregnant as soon as possible as children give a different taste of marriage and strengthen the relationship between spouses.

May Allah help you through your troubles.

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Now for me to have something to say....what the heck is the meaning of this sentence?? "then he did what was not proper to be done, and not what was forbidden to be done. " Ummmm, okay? Isn't that a convenient loophole. That sentence just sucks......what am I supposed to interpret?

"If his second wife got to know about this, that would be more problematic. "

More problematic than what?? Than the first wife knowing about it?? I don't like this sentene either!!!

"I advise you to reconcile your difference with your husband and have him tell you honestly what he intends to do. Feeling sad or that you were lied to or betrayed will only add to your sufferings. "

What he intends to do? Hasn't he already done it? And adding to the sufferings by feeling betrayed and sad?? Is there another way to feel? Oh, I get it....she's just supposed to get over it? Lickety split? I mean....he hasn't even told his family that he's been married for 7 years!!! 7 years!! OMG!!

"If your husband still wishes to keep you, then I advise you to get pregnant as soon as possible as children give a different taste of marriage and strengthen the relationship between spouses. "

WTH? If the hubby still wishes to keep her??? WTH has she done??? GET PREGNANT? ASAP?? Go screw away ur problems you mean???


SubhanALLAH, I don't like to say anything about scholars who are more knowledgeable than all of us put together.....but his advice just sucks. And you know what sucks even more?? I'm thinking of this poor sister, crying her eyes out, typing this question into the scholar, wanting some salvation, some piece of mind....and this is the answer she gets. I feel like crying thinking of this poor soul.

Hind, if you are still out there......if you somehow come across any of our polygyny blogging sisters.....know that ur pain hasn't gone unnoticed....know that I pray that you are surviving, that you are victorious....and that Allah has granted you paradise.

You aren't alone, Ukhti......

12 Comments:

Blogger Organica said...

As'salamu alaikum Safa,

First, I love Islamonline.net , it's one of the best Islamic projects on the internet. But I have found that there is a tremendous difference between the Fatwa and Counseling section. In the Counseling section you have professionals with Islamic knowledge dealing and trying come up with solutions. Actually this post only reflects a growing problem in the Muslim community.

Our scholars, aka Sheikhs..etc. Are not equipped for counseling. When I was going through my divorce, the sheikh told me, this sheikh will only give you a fatwa, he wont counsel you. Basically he would say, this haraam this halal. Which is nothing close to psychological counseling.

Our scholars need to be trained in family counseling to better apply their fataws to people. I feel for sister hind, but inshAllah they should have directed her question to a counselor not a sheikh!

how sad to say.

6:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your husband still wishes to keep you, then I advise you to get pregnant as soon as possible as children give a different taste of marriage and strengthen the relationship between spouses.
WHAT? umm ok...



hey what the hell why I gotta type letters...damnit...I am never commenting again....

6:56 PM

 
Blogger Vena said...

Safa you brought back sooooo many memories of airport adventures in Egypt. You made me miss my family sooo much. I wish I could go and visit them. Last time I went was maybe 9 years ago. They haven't seen any of my kids in person. Maybe we could meet in Egypt someday, Insha Allah. Looks like I may be meeting Umm Abdurahman in Houston soon insha Allah. I can't wait!!!!!

10:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Asalamalaykom,

You should have started with, "If the writers of the answer should happen to come across our blogs..." Wouldn't that be a fun moment??? LOL

4:45 AM

 
Blogger Aoife said...

That sucks. To say it boldly.

We all know pregnancy fixes marriages... ahem, cough cough... NOT.

I hate online fatwas... there is no way to give an accurate answer to a particular situation online. Even our Nabi, peace be upon him, gave different answers to the same questions depending on who asked and their circumstances.

7:17 AM

 
Blogger pixie said...

That answer was more like a slap in the face. Poor girl.

7:12 PM

 
Blogger Seeker of the truth said...

"I advise you to reconcile your difference with your husband and have him tell you honestly what he intends to do. Feeling sad or that you were lied to or betrayed will only add to your sufferings. "

That's just so bloody stupid. My husband feels the same way too. He'll say, "...you need to stop getting yourself all worked up and sad about (SisterX), it'll just make things worse for everyone."...WTH???

Let me know if any of you find the on and off switch to my God given emotions!!

8:47 PM

 
Blogger The Cook Crazy Economist said...

This guy.... really, what a character. I usually don't listen to fatwahs anyway unless the come from:

Wael B. Hallaq currently at McGill.

Hossein Modarressi at Princeton.

Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl at UCLA.

Mohammad Hashim Kamali at the International Islamic University of Malaysia.

They seemed to be more grounded in real life.


I agree people shouldn't give fatwa who aren't educated in social services and family dynamics. To many "scholors" won't be well verses in these subjects and have social issues themselves since they have spent the majority of thier lives locked up around mostly men learning Islamic science. How kind of what kind of life experiences do you really think these men have? Also take into consideration that the ones we hear about the most come from high society and privledges backgrounds which will only further decease the their life experiences.

Which is why you get so many off the wall fatwa's. They just don't have a clue of whats going on on the other side of the mountain.
Allah U Alim

10:19 AM

 
Blogger Ify Okoye said...

Shaykh Salah Soltan's command of English is not that strong, he's visited our community many times and he does usually offer very good advice but it is much better if he speaks in Arabic.

It does always surprise me how people bend over backwards and make excuses for men to marry another wife or to say talaq as much as possible and then be able to revoke it but with women it's the opposite and the lamest excuses and reasoning are used to place restrictions on us.

8:17 PM

 
Blogger Organica said...

Sheikh's favorite thing to say

"BE PATIENT SISTER"

They should totally change all the voice messages of the masjid to say this. So we can just be with no hope.

And Amani, in NY they actually take the abuser and beat him to give him a taste of what he is doing :)

8:32 PM

 
Blogger Safa said...

thanks Muslim Apple for clearing up the english problem with the shaykh. But I'd like to point out, that he's on ISLAMONLINE, giving advice in English, I still don't find myself to pleased with his advice......

3:01 AM

 
Blogger The Cook Crazy Economist said...

I vote a open can of whoop arse on men who abuse women as well. Hey, down here in DC I heard a group of sisters came to the aid of another sister who was abused constantly and went to masjids, imams,a nd then brothers for help but none of them would help her. They would just say be a better wife, cook, clean, try to not upset him etc. So since the men wouldn't do anything a group of sisters in niqab waited until they cault the brother going to his car at not at a local car lot around here and beat him down good. He couldn't tell him did it because everyone wore niqab. LOL

He didn't hit his wife no more either.

9:07 AM

 

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