Answers to some serious questions......
I received this comment under the villa pics......and to be honest, I read it thru twice. And like some many good comments do....it made me think.....I emailed this comment to a friend and discussed some issues that this comment brought up. So I'd like you all to read it with me.....and I'll post a response down below....
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "the Villa is under construction......":
It was awhile ago that I was surfing the net and came across your blog. It was really a very weird way that it happened: I was looking for info on the veil and one of the results led to your site. As I quickly scanned your post, my eyes were caught dead in their tracks by the word "polygamous". Suffice it to say, I have become somewhat of a 'disturbed' fan, following your every post religiously-at times your posts were my escape from the mundane routine of my job. My favorite past time is to drown myself in virtual reality of the cyberspace. Yeah you learn a lot and meet interesting people, but I think it is the door that some people leave slightly ajar into their lives that is priceless. Mostly, those little glimpses really make you feel "connected"-I still haven't been able to figure out to what exactly. So yesterday, as I was surfing the net daydreaming of another place (even another person) that I wanted to be, my mind brought me to you. I realized that the months I have been spending listening to what you were saying I have been selfish because I was using your words to find myself but not really offering anything back in return. Truthfully, I didn't think anything I could say would've been useful. But I feel I 'know' you now and really want to tell you a couple of things. and I should warn you, I grew up in a country where we call it like it is so I won't 'sugar-dip' it. I think your husband is a Class A jerk! And I think 'female-martyrdom' is a glorified mirage that we women often hold at the expense of ourselves for no good reason. Don't get me wrong, kudos to your strength and courage because I gotta tell you, if I was in your situation it would've been one swift kick in the balls and out with him in the trash. But they say you never really know unless you walked a mile in 'their' shoes-and I haven't walked even a centimeter in your shoes. And you sound like a perfectly capable woman who's got more intelligence than many and has ideal qualities that anyone would be honored to have-while the hubbie, I am sorry to say, sounds like a selfish 'douchebag' who is quite content pleasing only himself. Religiously, I am not well-read but I do know enough that polygamy has its own very strict rules, i.e. that the first wife must be told (and given a choice to leave) and that if he buys one apple for one wife then the EXACT IDENTICAL apple must also be bought for the second. The safeguard that God put into the whole thing is that NO MAN will ever be able to suffice the requirements of the second restriction-thus, your husband is very much in the wrong. And I am sure he gives you lines of crap about working hard to build a future and a family in Cairo and gets you the new villa and the SUV (is that for you?) to placate you, etc. and I am sure he must love his kids, but love is more than words. But while he is a complete ass, I am kind of mad at you. I think you are also indirectly indulging his fabricated life by not making a choice. [yes I know I am not in your position, so take what I say with a grain of salt but don't completely wipe it out] you are waiting till the baby is born to see what kind of ticket he will be traveling on to get your decision-but isn't this really empowering him with your entire future? And where are you in the whole mix? My friends would probably kick my proverbial behind for seemingly not bringing peace to the situation (and maybe others on your site)-but I think the wait and see what he does method is 'old school' because it wraps your whole life in a completely arbitrary action-what if he does end up coming for a month because he wants to work on building 'you lives' in Canada? What if he doesn't leave her? What if he brings her with him and puts her up in your apt? The point is not to add more to your troubles but to just tell you that sometimes what you wish for isn't what you want. So I think you need to decide now (not this moment but in the near future) what YOU want based on what is happening now and not on a romanticized past (again I make more assumptions, but my experience has been that jerks are not born overnight-that they are a long time forming). The real 'moutain' that you are refusing to climb is the one in your mind-the only obstacle in our lives is ourselves. so free yourself from all this wondering, fretting, stressing, depressing, crying, indulging, and boiling and do what is good for you. And above all, treat yourself to life-you deserve it!
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"I grew up in a country where we call it like it is so I won't 'sugar-dip' it."
Excellent! Sugar dipping is so overrated anyways!
"... you sound like a perfectly capable woman who's got more intelligence than many and has ideal qualities that anyone would be honored to have-while the hubbie, I am sorry to say, sounds like a selfish 'douchebag' who is quite content pleasing only himself. "
There are times I think the same thing......truth is....we have been married 16 yrs....and my husband never bought himself a can of pop when he was outside the house. He used to say.....how can I enjoy something without my family? But this has changed....but ohhhh...if I could have gotten him to buy the pop, rather than indulge in a wife...!! I think proximity plays a large part in my current situation.
"I am not well-read but I do know enough that polygamy has its own very strict rules, i.e. that the first wife must be told (and given a choice to leave) and that if he buys one apple for one wife then the EXACT IDENTICAL apple must also be bought for the second."
Of course in Islam, there are schools of thought......and although some say that the first wife has to be told.....there are those that say she doesn't. Again, they give reasons for not telling, "right away"....but she HAS to be told. (wouldn't u notice ur husband missing at night?) My husband took advantage of these rules and warped them to his own needs. About the apples.....naw.....it ain't like that. What if the second wife is allergic to apples? Or prefers oranges? Yes equality, but it doesn't have to be the SAME unless it's asked for it.
"...I am sure he gives you lines of crap about working hard to build a future and a family in Cairo and gets you the new villa and the SUV (is that for you?) to placate you, etc. and I am sure he must love his kids, but love is more than words."
I am forever getting those lines of crap. Yes, that's what they are....and I swear I'm gonna record them rather than making him say it over and over again. The new villa be bought for me the summer that MM asked him for marriage. I remember the day we paid the money.....I was so intensely happy, yet so intensely sad inside....worried and confused about the interest MM was showing. The SUV was for all of us.......it was a dream that we'd had since the beginning of marriage...to own a SUV. This summer he is supposed to be buying me MY car......he was talking about a Suzuki minivan.....but it's my choice. Love is more than words. I know....i know....that's why I'm willing to leave all these nice things, and just walk away......I need the more. I've finished my patient waiting.
".....I am kind of mad at you. I think you are also indirectly indulging his fabricated life by not making a choice........you are waiting till the baby is born to see what kind of ticket he will be traveling on to get your decision-but isn't this really empowering him with your entire future? And where are you in the whole mix? "
Am I? Somehow I looked at things from a different angle. Right now I am about ready to pop out this new baby........and I'm sick. I've got diabetes, anemia, my legs are swollen, my back hurts......sigh. And the thought of getting myself worked up again, knowing his stupid crappy answers....just exhausts me. Last time I got worked up, my sugars hit the roof, glucose was in my urine and I had ketones. Where am I? I'm preserving my strength.......and growing this baby.....
"....what if he does end up coming for a month because he wants to work on building 'you lives' in Canada? What if he doesn't leave her? What if he brings her with him and puts her up in your apt? The point is not to add more to your troubles but to just tell you that sometimes what you wish for isn't what you want. So I think you need to decide now (not this moment but in the near future) what YOU want based on what is happening now"
My choice is this....I have to stop thinking that my husband doesn't understand what I need...that after the MANY times I've told him that I need solutions....that after the many times I've told him that I want fair time.....that he still doesn't get it. PUH LEASE! He can't be completely dense. If he chooses to keep pushing his issues and my patience.....he must realize, at one point, it's game over. No surprises here. Less than 2 weeks ago, I told him that I was expecting solutions after the baby is born....and that I ain't going to raise 5 kids alone.....it was pretty straightforward. What I wish for, may not be the best for him....who knows? But it's the best for my kids and I. It is. About what I want based on what's happening now....yes...I have based my decision on that.....but what I've done is given this very last possible chance for something to change. The end of the road, the last chance.....the finale. And again....I'm taking care of ME right now.....my time line is baby birth + 40 days. I need to be strong.
".....my experience has been that jerks are not born overnight-that they are a long time forming"
I just had to say that I loved this line. U got quite the chuckle out of me with it!
".....The real 'mountain' that you are refusing to climb is the one in your mind-the only obstacle in our lives is ourselves. so free yourself from all this wondering, fretting, stressing, depressing, crying, indulging, and boiling and do what is good for you. And above all, treat yourself to life-you deserve it! "
Thanks for these words.....I must say, that ur comment was really thought provoking........and that I had to really question myself.......I already have my plan in motion, and it shall remain the same. What your comment has REALLY made me question, is whether I should give a definate heads up to hubby or not. Should I tell him....yet again.....that after the baby is born......I need solutions. And that I won't be alone anymore. Hmmmmmm. I have to say, I haven't answered that one. I also wonder how upsetting that will be for me.....it's what I question now...... So let me ask my blogger friends to help me answer that one? Do I tell him yet again? By doing that.....am I taking some form of responsibility for my happiness? Or should I just be content with the fact that I have to presume he knows I'm serious? What to do?


22 Comments:
" I've got diabetes, anemia, my legs are swollen, my back hurts......"
and WHERE IS HE?
:(((
Wallah, Safa u r a great woman and I wish you would get better, a man who is beside you...
But I dont want a comment, what only upsets you..so Im kinda thinking, every man has this "climax-panick"...Most men get them once in their life, when they do many crazy things and when u mentioned, that before he never ever got a can of pop without u guys (nho matter, how literal it was), and now suddenly all this madness...sounds like this is one of such step of men who are afraid, that they "get old" - hopefully he gets over on it.
2:15 AM
Asalamlayakom Swollen Safa,
My dear, you are such a love. Just keep going at your own pace. There are others, like this (mashahallah) good reader/writer who will bring up points to ponder. Take what you can and leave the rest. I think your birth+40 days is right on.
And NO you do not need to waste your breath telling him yet again of your needs.
Like, he ain't got no clue?
Come on!
Save your energy.
Kisses!
4:20 AM
I think you are doing what is best right now. The last thing you need when you are pregnant is all the stress and possible additional health problems that making a decision could possibly bring on.
I wouldn't waste the time telling him again. You've made it clear what your expectations are,it is now up to me to make a choice.
Just take care of yourself, your girls, and your baby!!
6:05 AM
Assalamu Aleikum wa rahmatulahi wa Barakatuhu,
I think you are very brave even getting pregnant already having four children, no family around, and no husband around. And now that you are sick! I just don't know how you do it! Really. Masha'Allah.
I personally don't think your husband "gets it". He's heard it from you before, yet he hangs up the phone 'cuz he has to go back to work, etc. So easy to put in the back burner. Also, he might chuck it to pregnancy hormones, etc. But since you are sick, etc. I would leave it until after the baby was born to "remind him of your needs".
I would really hope that he was there for when you give birth. I don't mean to scare you but diabetes might equal a big baby, and that MIGHT equal a c-section. It requires someone to be next to you for about two weeks. So, I would remind him of THAT! And the fact that you don't know when this baby will come means his ticket should be booked for his arrival 30-40 days from today. I would call him on that.
If the villa is yours, can you keep it with no strings attached if there were to be a separation? I am just wondering.
6:34 AM
Wow..I think if I went back and read your old comments and read what you write now it would be like listening to two different people. You have grown and become stronger and are on your way to true freedom as an independent strong woman. It's really amazing to read. You can have a better life I'm sure. It sounds like financially your husband does very well and if the laws in Egypt are at all fair you should be able to take care of your self and your children fine as a divorced woman. You are living now as a single mom so why continue to encumber yourself with this person who only seems to bring sadness and hurt and does not seem even to bring happiness to your children let alone you. Do you feel stronger? It must be a hard time to try and feel strong being in the last stages of pregnancy but somehow you seem to be doing it. congratulations and hope you make the right choices for you and your kids.
7:16 AM
Whatever happened to the "Queen's Hubby and the Hubby's Queen? Wasn't she having significant health problems and was her baby born ok and all? I have wondered.
7:19 AM
I agree...but remember, you can talk talk talk, but I think he is banking on the fact that unless you come through with your threats, it is just talk. After all, are empty threats (yours) any better than empty promises (his)? Yes, divorce has a stigma. But as Whitney Houston once said, (not that she is any great prophetess) "I'd rather be alone than unhappy". And what makes you happy? Islam, your kids, and your friends. You wouldn't be losing ANY of that leaving your husband.
9:45 AM
Salaam Alaikum sweeyie,
You don't need to tell him again. He already knows and to be honest, he also knows (or THINKS he does) that you're not REALLY going to divorce him. I feel pretty certain that your husband and even you have not hit rock bottom. When you do, there won't be any more time for him to come up with a plan to save your marriage -- and you will both know what to do.
Love you,
PM
10:14 AM
I agree with a lot of this readers thoughts, however, I TOTALLY understand not being able to do anything right now. You are pregnant and sick and exhausted. You also have a house full of children already. How you think at all is beyond me. I'm running of empty and I have three kids only ha.
But I do think you've been direct and fair about your decision to leave. I honestly think he'll try to extend this and I believe you should maintain it's not acceptable and leave.
The only thing I'd do is repeat your plans if he tries to extend or change your terms. Otherwise, he already knows...and he better take it seriously.
And you are very strong, mashallah!
11:15 AM
salamu alaykum,
I agree with HA - and I can tell from what you wrote that your husband doesn't respond well to ultimatums. Most men don't as they like to feel in charge even if they are not. Inshallah he will make the best decision that is right for you and your family.
11:22 AM
In my experience, everytime I think my husband must know how I feel or know what I want, I am wrong. The only time he knows is when I spell it out for him, like letter by letter. Men just aren't as smart or perceptive as we wish they were.
I think you should tell him very clearly what you want and what will happen if you don't get it. Otherwise he will always be able to use the "I didn't know" excuse.
11:25 AM
I agree w/ PM that hubby thinks you won't leave him. It's an extension of what anon said about you indulging his behaviour. I'm not thinking about now, with the baby on the way since it really puts your marital issues on the backburner. It's more a general pattern of waiting for him to make up his mind. He knows you're allowing him the ability to decide, so he's riding that wave as far as it will take him.
Put your legs up, get the girls to rub them for you, and take care of you.
1:58 PM
I have to agree with everyone else as a faithful reader of your blog that...
#1 Frankly, he thinks your bullsh*tting. You have complained and complained so many times, he doesn't believe you are going anywhere.
#2 Because he is so far away there is a complete disconnect there that he consciously maintains so that he does not have to deal with you OR the kids.
#3 It is not your responsibility to warn him AGAIN. You concentrate on you and this baby because he obviously isn't. THis is not time to stress out over him-you focus on that beautiful baby that you have coming oh so soon! :)
#4 Safa, I must give it to you girl, you DO sound much stronger than in the past. I pray that you are able to keep that strength when it comes down to "poop or get off the pot!"
#5 We all love and support (virtually)! :)
3:15 PM
i think the answer to all of this is istikhara. You know his patterns of behavior and how he's behaved up till now. Istikhara will guide you to what is best for you in this world and the next and insh'allah make your heart content. If your husband is destined to change everything around which is something you can't see, then Allah has that power to make things work out.
Bottom line. u try your best to make the right choice and insh'allah Allah will guide you to it.
6:34 PM
well Safa, I think I have been with you the longest. I think we met when you first found out about the co wife. I have never changed my mind bout what has happened to you. I have always supported you and always will. Yes, it is true, right now you need to think about that baby. Nothing else. But, there will come a time with reality will come and bite you and when it doese I am sorry but it will take a HUGE bite. YOu will not only have 4 children but 5 and the reality is you will more than likly still be in egypt alone. This may be the life you have to deal with until you are really ready in your heart to make REAl choices. I think in your head your ready but it has not reached your heart yet. It is like last yr when I went through my thing. YOu know I was on a mission. Nothing anyone said changed my mind. My head and heart were in the same place. When that happens there are no more excuses there are no more anything. That is when you ACT. When you no longer care what HE will do is the time YOU will be ready to make your choice. Because safa its not about him and his needs, wants, games, work, villa, cars, or the co wife. it will be about YOUR NEEDS AND WHAT SAFA NEEDS. Right now as angry as you are you still deep down want to be married. And who can blame you. You have 5 kids with him and you have given him 16 yrs of your life. No sane person can walk away from 16 yrs without trying to do what they can to fix the problem. No Muslim woman, truelty wanting jennah, just gives up on her marriage without tryign to fight for it. marriage is deeper than a whim for us. It is half of our faith.
I guess i said all this rambeling to say Safa, when you are ready to do anything YOU will know. Your heart and your head will be on the same page. Yes, it will still hurt, No matter what the choice is. If you stay you will be hurt, if you leave you will be hurt. However when your ready truely ready you will have peace deep in yourself. YOur head and your heart will have peace.
I LOVE U GIRL!!!
7:18 PM
Thanks for the wonderful comments.....here's what I've come up with.....
What Safa needs to make her stay in this marriage.....2 things....
#1 no more polygyny #2 live together
Any explanation needed? Well, let me say, I don't want to be in a polygynous marriage....it has been so negative that it brings up lots of feelings and hurts. If polygyny is what he wants, then that is fine and good.....but I am not part of the equation.
About living together....yes....I can't be in ANY country alone anymore. It's been 6 yrs now.....and the thought of raising 5 kids alone, when I am supposed to have options, is just crazy. If he still has to go back to Canada...we are going to. I'm not staying somewhere by myself.
That's what I need. That's what it has to be. And his second chance time frame is Birth + 40 days. Isn't that reasonable?
I will be calling a sheikh that I have come to trust here in Egypt and will discuss this with him. And then I will go to my hubby's brother, who I have asked to be my wali.....and discuss this with him as well. Or rather, with the wali....I'll be telling him. If he chooses to talk to my husband about it...he can. If not...well, it makes no difference. Bottom line is....I'm not going to talk to my hubby about this....no more empty threats and all that jazz.
This is where I am.
12:28 AM
Safa, I will say one thing...I have only been reading for like 6 months, and you DO sound so much stronger. I am proud of you!
1:01 PM
fantastic sis.u r on the right track now,INSHAALAH
1:48 PM
I think you have a good plan.
7:22 PM
Assalamu Alaikum my dear sister in Islam!
It really does sound like you are taking more and more control of the situation. Masha'allah! I think with great determination you will get the outcome that is right for you and your four beautiful daughters.
Are you having a fifth daughter, or a son this time around?
Anyway, insha'allah everything works out for the best. Either way, you will be happy as hell, insha'allah! How can you not be? You have beautiful, wonderful, loving children. Masha'allah you are a courageous, supportive, loving, giving, enduring mother. Allah couldn't have blessed you with better qualities! MASHA'ALLAH!
And just like your other readers, I just came onboard, but I spent days and countless hours reading up on EVERYTHING! So, I am very in tune with your situation. You are in my dua's!
Walikum assalam! :) :) :)
7:53 PM
salaam safa I am happy for you that you are stronger now and you made a sort of desicion about your live with or without your husband.May allah swt make it easy for you ameen.
7:07 AM
Dear Safa, I think it's all been said by everyone else, so I just want to say, take care!
8:26 PM
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